IMMORTALITY, HELL, AND PRAYER

BY
DR. H.C. KINLEY
1968


Transcribed by: Beverly Allen
Proofread by: Syracuse class
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Transcriber's Notes:
1. Pause words have been left out, unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, such as: (ah, uh, see, you see, listen, listen close, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right, that's right, you get it now, you get it, you get the point, do you see what I'm talking about, do you see that, do you
see that now), hereby making it more easier to read with continuity of thought.
2. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
3 ----- ---- indicates an inaudible word, or words, or syllable.
4. [ ] Words in brackets are comments of the transcriber.
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[Opening statements are missing from this tape]
Dr. Kinley: . . . And now we have white boys in this school, they just as smart as anybody on earth. That's right. Them students that's brought up in this school, and I'll put 'em against anybody, anybody on earth, and they do know what they're talking about. And they've never been ---- ---- -----. And God said it, "As I live saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess." It don't make no difference about how outstanding you are; that hasn't got a thing to do with it Bill. If anything at all you would overlook Yahweh in me. You see I don't have the right paint job; that's one strike against me right there. Now be honest about it! Face the truth just like it is. It's one of them common things. But now look Doc, all men, interracial, that don't, that don't mean a thing to me. Somebody say "Well listen, the Bible does teach, the Jews they were not suppose to get mixed up and intermarry and all lika that." You better go back and read that story, you just better do that. Now when the children of Israel come out of Egypt and went through here and went into Palestine, the tribes was divided up, and they couldn't even inter-marry in their own nation. They had to stay within their own tribe. You couldn't take somebody out of the tribe of Levi and marry him over here in the tribe of Judah, he had to stay in their own tribe. Well why?... was to keep the inheritance in the family. Now they got that all messed up with some kind of a spurious notion and idea that they got in their head. And then another thing the Jew thought, he thought at this time God was a respecter of personality, and the gentiles or heathen was just like dogs and wasn't regarded. They didn't really know the truth about it. Now if they were gonna get into the family here, what you have to do is be circumcised and keep the law of Moses, and he was in. And yet he couldn't go beyond the outer court, the court of the gentiles. Now look down here, we know what we're talking about! And anytime you walk out and do things that you know nobody else hasn't done, why do you stand around arguing with me? I told you John F. Kennedy, just to point out one, I told you that he'd be elected… nominated, elected and assassinated. Is that, is that right?
Audience: Right!
Dr. Kinley: Then the man is dead! Somebody say "Well he's not dead," and a whole lot of things around about it. But I'm saying he is dead so far as... understand? I told you about Pope John. Now you wanna stand up and argue something about it! Now it ain't no sense in nobody being that stubborn because you don't like me. If I had my way about it I'd be laying out there in cemetery, I wouldn't be fooling, I wouldn't be worrying with you. And listen, it's by saying nice things, fair words, nice speeches that men are deceived. Now when I tell you something, it's gone be just like I tell you, and listen, just wait for it. Haven't I stood, Dr. Harris, in this pulpit, (now I just ain't talking to him alone) stood right in this pulpit and told you right by my watch just when it was gone be an earthquake - where at? China. Now look, here's what I'm talking about, I don't want you to lose sight of what I'm talking about. Because I'm looking at this right down there at this River Jordan to tell you what's coming up next, what to do next. And hasn't anybody been on earth that beat me with that, cause it's genuine, and tell you why it has to be that way. And then when you see the reality of it you know it's gotta be that way, and then that just ends all the arguments. Then it doesn't make any difference (listen at me boy) it don't make any difference, you walk in any place you want to, anywhere in the world, any church organization, you can sit down and listen at anybody you wanna listen at preach and teach, just let anybody from anywhere, it just could be Gabriel from heaven or Michael from heaven and listen at him preach, and sat right there and know the difference, and never gonna be deceived. You remember Matthew 24 said this, uh the Messiah said, "That they would de, uh, that many false prophets would go out and that they would deceive the very elect if it were possible." When you learn what I'm trying to teach you down here it's not possible; it's just not possible.
Now it would be almost unfair for me not to show you something about how this pattern works, then you could get some kind of an idea about it. Now look Frank can't nobody fix it. And the more you fumble with it the worse it'll get, trying to fix it. There have never been nobody here able to fix it. And I'll tell you something else, there haven't never nobody went out of this school and went and joined no organization of no kind, no church, and they ain't never done that. This school is going on thirty-six years old, and ain't never nobody done it and never will. How 'bout that Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: That’s right [Student Body Laughs]
Dr. Kinley: Elder so and so nor nobody. You know why? Because we put the thing together so you can see it. You can do it yourself if you just wasn't too hard headed to learn, if you wasn't too stubborn to learn. Often times people think "Well you haven't heard so and so and so." I've heard 'em all. I know what a carnal mind is and I know what a spiritual mind is.
Now look, now look how simple it is. This is what throws the other fellow. Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, Spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, Spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, Spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, spirit; Blood, water, Spirit; same old song always, it never does change. Listen, it come in, this cloud was a burning, in the eyes of the children of Israel it's a burning fire. Now listen at what I'm saying, it was a burning fire in the eyes of the children... Isn't that what the 40th chapter of Exodus and the last verse say? Isn't that what Deuteronomy say? The other fellow he didn't see it, but in the eyes of the children of Israel they saw it. And look, within that cloud they saw the creation. Moses saw the creation, the vision of it. Now look! It ain't no need of arguing around here, now it's got to go out in the cloud, that's why Pete said what he did. It's got to, it's got to come in one way, it's got to go out the same way because the function there is got to continue on and on, that's what makes up the history of the world. That's how I was able to tell you about what Pope Pius the 12th would say, and he hadn't said it yet. You see what I mean? He had not said it yet. And tell you what he would do, and he hasn't done it yet, and why he would do this - it's all in the purpose. Then when I stand up here and tell you...somebody say "Well I disagree with him." Now there's nothing else you could do but disagree with me. Why?... because you don't know the story. But when you get the story down it's not no problem, it's no problem is it?
Now look Doc, you go along and take a thermostat and stick it in somebody's mouth, a thermometer.
Dr. Harris: Right
Dr. Kinley: You catch a hold of their pulse, and you watch your watch. That man's pulse is beating when it's normal, (it's abnormal, it's abnormal if it beats any other way) seventy times a minute. Right?
Dr. Harris: Right
Dr. Kinley: All right, and you take that out, and take the thermometer out his mouth and read it, it's over ninety-eight something's wrong. You say "Well how you feel buddy?" He say, "Well I just, ahh man I tell you I just, I feel pretty good, but I,..." Well, that man knows it's something wrong. Well now, why would your pulse beat seventy times a minute? Why is your temperature as it is? Now there ain't nobody can come along and tell me nothing Freddy! Don't you see you're not prepared to tell me nothing if you can't tell me this! How many ribs you got there Doc?
Dr. Harris: Twenty-four
Dr. Kinley: Twenty-four. How many vertebrae you got in vertebral column or the spinal column?
Dr. Harris: Thirty-three
Dr. Kinley: Thirty-three. Why? I never went to school. Here comes up a fellow he's a big scientist, he's peeping through a microscope and he's investigating carbon atoms, silicon and magnesium and all them different kinds of, (is that right), got 'em under the microscope, and he's telling me what's there. Well I knew it was before he knew what was there, and I told him about it, and telling him why it was there. Well now here's what you got! Listen now, listen at me! If you took the, I got it wrote up there in great big letters down yonder on the end of that chart. "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and God head so that you don't have no excuse." You understand, no excuse. Your excuse is gone! No excuse for your stupidity and ignorance. God had taken special pains to abolish 'em even before He put the man in the earth. Now if I can get you to catch on to it, it’ll take just that to save your soul. But I tell you what's happening, the devil has come along trying to deceive you and that's his job, and he's doing a good job of it too. But now an atom is a proton, a neutron, and electron. You got most holy place, holy place, and the outer court. Here you are, (would you mind?) See, you got a head cavity, chest cavity, and then a abdominal cavity. You say he had twelve ribs on this side and twelve on this other side; twenty, thirty-three vertebrae in the spinal column. Well why is it? Somebody say "Well look, I'm an atheist." Yeah, but be quiet buster, because you got the same identical thing. Said "Well God took a rib and made up the woman; the man oughta be short of one rib." Now you go see your orthopedic specialist or your bone doctor, and you can ask him if you want to; that's the only bone there in the body that grows out. Everybody's got this within, right within himself so there's no reason for nobody's stupidity. Now you can learn that, you can find out why all these things are. Now just like you find them things in there, now if you know how it operates in time, then you know what's coming up; just exactly what's coming up, and when. And haven't I been telling you days and months and hours of things, haven't I been doing that?
Students: Right
Dr. Kinley: Well now that proves that there is a God. It proves it to you, so that you can feel that way about it; so that you can know, so that you can save your soul.
Now the big question mark, listen, Wallace is this, and as I been trying to get it over to you, see it’s your soul. I’m interested in everybody on the face of the earth. It don't make no difference what color they are and what nationality you are, I’m interested in ‘em. My mission is to them! I don't have no partiality, no discrimination, none of that junk in me. You understand, I couldn't have. And any man that will get something like that in him, he doesn't have no partiality, and discrimination, and all that ignorance and superstition in him. All souls belongs to God. Listen, "God so loved the world, (John 3:19) that He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever..." Now there's just no sense in just reading around all the time and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. He didn't die out there for the Jews only. He wasn't no respecter of persons - that's His purpose and His plan. And listen let me say this: There has been a whole lot of 'em died on a tree, Roman Catholic killed better than 6 million Jews. And not a one of them Jews that died out there was to redeem the world. This is the only sacrificial body that will do it. And that's God's purpose, that's God's plan, and He's carrying it out. The Devil's no hindrance, no, see, God needs the Devil. For what? Said well, this is what He said, talking about Pharaoh, "For this cause have I raised you up..." What's that for? To overthrow him in the Red Sea and to show His power and get glory and honor to His Name. Now Roger when you come along telling me about your name, or somebody elses name, that wasn't in the Godhead in the first place, I'm through with you. Now I've said enough for you to catch on, and I'm telling you, you're not gonna go no where and learn these things. These books have went all over the world, and the testimony of everybody that's ever seen 'em, say that they've never seen nothing like this before.
And I wanna say this: Now you're down in the close of this age. Now the next major thing that is gonna happen is the revelation. Now here's what I mean by revelation from heaven. Now I'm not talking about just something being revealed to you setting in your seat there; that happens all the time. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this: Here He has ascended into that state of existence, and now He will be revealed from heaven. You see here, see with... I'm showing it to you as this. This is just like a throne, this is just like this, all along here. Now we just put this one down here to show you when the thing was finished up, then He'll be, be seen from heaven. And look, that glory, that great incorporeal that out shines the brilliance of the sun, and instantaneously... Paul said in the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians "Behold I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep (or all go to the cemetery) but we shall all be changed..." Now somebody said, that's been talking to me about revelations is progressive. Now this one is not progressive, this is instantaneous. But your understanding here is being worked out through the dispensation and ages, it's got to go on till it's matured. And then in it's maturity, and when God has did everything that He planned to do in this state and in this condition, then He's revealed from.., and then the, the, see it's over with then. And Paul, (I'm gonna quote it again), Paul said, "Behold I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye..." Brother there is no, uh, there is no immortal bodies around now. There isn't, there just isn't any. This is a mortal body. And you receiving the Holy Spirit that ain't, that haven't changed the body. When you got the Holy Spirit you still like beans, and like cornbread when you got the Holy Spirit. What are you doing that for?... to nourish this physical body. Be fair and square and honest about it. But now at this time when He's revealed from heaven, then Paul said in the Phillipians, said "The Lord when He is revealed shall change our mortal body into a glorious body like unto His." Immortality beyond the possibility of death. There will be no dying. We will be then as the angels in heaven. And then somebody thought "Well he don't understand, Jesus said..." There's always somebody thinks you're mistaken about it. "Jesus said he that liveth and believe... he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live, and he that liveth and believeth in me shall never die, believeth thou this?" I know as much about that as you do Bill. Yes, the inner-self, the Holy Spirit in you, it's not subject to death. It's not subject to death, but this thing here is. Now Jesus said he that's walking around here and believeth in me shall never die. We're.., in other words we that have the Spirit, we're not gonna never die, but every last one of us is gonna be changed from this mortal body. Now that's what we're looking forward to is immortality. And it is the spirit... we have an immortal spirit in us within a physical body. Now, somebody say "Well you're wrong about it." Now then you explain to me how it is that I can go wrong, when I have permission I don't, it don't make me no difference what's the matter with you. I don't even stop to take time to go to fool with it. I, uh, something happen to you I send you around there to see that man. Ain't that right?
Dr. Harris That's right
Dr. Kinley: When I have permission to speak, that's it. Now they're sitting around here all the time. Now it's up to you... And here's something else I wanna tell you, listen at this. Paul said in the 4th chapter of 2nd Corinthians, verse one on down, (now you listen at what I'm saying). "Now if our gospel be hid, if our gospel be hid...." Maybe you'd better read that Dr. Harris. Now said "I can't see what you're talking about. I don't understand it. You know so and so and so." Say listen, ain't nothing you know about anything, angels or human beings, or bees and the clouds and the birds, that I don't know. Now listen, 4th chapter and down, then I'm gone get down from here.
Reader: Therefore seeing we have this ministry. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: as we have received mercy. . .
Dr. Kinley: As we, the Apostle... as seeing we have, (the Apostles), have this ministry
Reader: as we have received mercy. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: we faint not. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: but have renounced the hidden things. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: of dishonesty. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: not walking in craftiness. . .
Dr. Kinley: Not walking in cunning craftiness, and trying to tear something and switch it around, and make you think I'm something in cunning craftiness and all that kind of thing. You get the point? It's not that at all. Repeat.
Reader: not walking in craftiness. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: or handling the word of Yahweh deceitfully. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats) All right read.
Reader: but by manifestation of the truth. . .
Dr. Kinley: "But by manifestation of the truth!..." Now look folks, if I come along preaching to you, and demonstrating to you the truth of God and manifesting it, and signs and wonders and miracles have been done, now you'll either have to accept that or else you're responsible for own loss. That's the demonstration. All right read on Doc.
Reader: but by manifestation of the truth. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: commending ourselves to every man's conscience. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: in the. . .
Dr. Kinley: I've ask you to check out... All right what else?
Reader: commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of Elohim. . .
Dr. Kinley: In the sight of Elohim or in the sight of God, see commending ourselves to every man, every man's conscience in the sight of Elohim. Read!
Reader: but if our evangel be hid. . .
Dr. Kinley: But if our gospel, or if evangel be hid, if it is hid! Then what's that?
Reader: it is hid to them that are lost. . .
Dr. Kinley: It's hid to them that are lost! That's what your troubles is, you're lost! Read.
Reader: in whom the spirit of this age. . .
Dr. Kinley: "In whom the spirit of this age..." Now we've had folks come along and tell us this age is ended now. IT HAS NOT ENDED! From Pentecost down, uh, from Pentecost down it has not ended, and when it does end everybody will know it! "In whom the God of this world"
Reader: has blinded the minds of them. . .
Dr. Kinley: has blinded the minds!
Reader: of them which believe not. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: lest the light of the. . .
Dr. Kinley: Lest the light of the glorious gospel... Read
Reader: of the Messiah. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: who is the Image of Yahweh. . .
Dr. Kinley: Who is the Image! Wait a minute folks! Who is the Image of that great brilliance before whose face the heavens and earth fled away! He's the very Image of it, the very description of it. And the boys said they saw it when they was up in the mountain. I want you to know that that's Him up there. And when I say up there, I'm not talking about pointing up, He's every where. Heaven is not somewhere above the sun, moon, and stars. You're in heaven right now or in hell right now, setting on your seat, tormented in the flame, doubting, no confidence. And hell translated again, a hole in the ground, the grave. Hell translated again, in here in this torment. I know everything! I know anything you can talk about! First, second, and third hell. You can't surprise me with nothing! You haven't got no explanation for me for nothing! It's a state. Insofar as revelations is concerned, light travels a hundred and eighty-six miles a second, or a hundred and eight-six million miles a second. . .
Student: 186,000
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Students: 186,000 thousand miles
Dr. Kinley: A hundred, eighty-six thousand - just be whatever it wants to be. It travels faster than that if it wants to. But what I'm talking about is this. Now if He's way up above the sun, moon, and stars, then in His ascension He wouldn't be home yet, if it's like you're talking about. And He would, it would be a long while before He got back. But I'm telling you He is back, and He is in you by His spirit. Now a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones. Then He has an incorporeal body, then it's universal. There's nothing you can talk to me about I don't know. . . And when that incorporeal body appears, Paul said "Behold I show you a..." Now if that's hid from you Doc, it's because some of these satanic hypocrite and devils has blinded your mind. As Paul said "Behold I show you a mystery we shall not all sleep but in a twinkling of an eye..." Instantaneous, "As the light shineth out of the east even unto the west even shall the coming of the Son of Man be." It was that way on the day of Pentecost when He come in. Suddenly He come from heaven with a sound of a mighty rushing wind, suddenly. Now that's Him there. But see now this is the body. You make up the body here that He will come in.
Student: That's it.
Dr. Kinley: That's it. Now, this is, this is the finish. Now when He's revealed in that super incorporeal body, then our bodies that we have will be changed instantaneously like His. And then listen, there ain't gone be no more devil running around fooling nobody either. All these people back here in this flood that you see there (you can see it here, right here) all these people there, they weren't arguing with Noah, they were drowned, they were dead. See they done argued around a hundred and twenty years, but now they're drowned. You see now that's the way it's gonna be with them. And then let me say this too Doc. Now we've pleaded, and we've sung the blues, we've cried and demonstrated, . . . [Side one ends few statements lost]. . . You see what I mean, as you see in all the world. Now I want you to look in Matthew 7:22. I just want you to see now there are many people in that day. Roman Catholics they swear by all that's holy that their church is the church that Christ built, on Peter. And they've murdered millions because they disagreed with 'em. And every sect and every cult comes up, yes they all say that they're right. And Messiah said they were gonna say "Lo He's in the valley, He's in the dessert." Many false prophets, come out in His name too. Now when somebody comes in somebody elses name besides it, now you know that's getting serious. Now look, look what He said there.
Reader: Many will say unto me in that day. . .
Dr. Kinley: Many will say unto me... He's talking about what they're saying unto me. He said many will say unto me in that day... All right, what?
Reader: Rabbi, Rabbi. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: did we not eat and drink in thy name. . .
Dr. Kinley: Didn't we not eat, and didn't we not drink in your name?
Reader: and in thy name have cast out demons. . .
Dr. Kinley: and in thy name cast out
Reader: demons. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and in thy name done many wonderful works. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats) All right read on.
Reader: and then will I say unto you. . .
Dr. Kinley: And then this is what He's gonna say unto them!
Reader: I never knew you. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: depart from me. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: ye that work iniquity
Dr. Kinley: "Ye that work iniquity." I think I've said enough, with one exception. Now Dr. Harris you'll find in Philippians that where he said, and you'll find the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians where, where he said "Instantaneously, in a twinkling of..." 15th chapter of 1Corinthians. I know, I not gone stay up here and hog the time. Our brother here, uh, uh, ----- -----, and I want him to have something to say to you. And I wanna tell him and his wife in your presence... I wanna know, I've never dodged around with nothing. You ever known me to do that?
Students: No
Dr. Kinley: And I don't have a thing to tell you in private that I don't tell you in, that I won't tell you in public. We invite them to come and to study with us in this school. And they have the protection and the defense, (not of Henry Clifford Kinley or of you), but they have the protection and defense of Almighty God. Now look Wallace, the Roman Catholic religion is wrong! Somebody say "Well you don't have no right to be talking about me and my religion." I say the Bahai religion is wrong! I say the church of God is wrong! I don't have no apologies to make for it; that's what I'm sent to tell you. And if you come up here telling me that all these people settin' round here make up the, and this is it, why you're, you're, you're telling the story wrong, it's not like that. Many in the congregation is not right. You just heard him say that, "Many shall say unto me in that day haven't we done many wonderful things - and all in your name." See it wasn't in the name of Bahaullah. It's not in the name of Kinley! Now how in the world am I gonna think anymore of Bahaullah than I am of me? Now if Bahaullah or Henry C. Kinley says anything different than what Moses and these prophets said, both of us are just liars, that’s all there is to it, and if you follow it you’ll lose your souls! Now that's plain talk anybody can understand that! Ain't that right Bishop?
Bishop Short: Right
Dr. Kinley: Ain't that right Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: That's right
Dr. Kinley: Plain talk. And I'm not gonna run off in no corner and tell you that, cause the thing just wasn't done in no corner. No you see what I'm talking about? Now that's the only way we can help some of these people, and ---- ---- ----. And I say this, as Dr. Williams, (and while I'm standing here I'll make this announcement) Dr. Williams is coming back from Birmingham, Alabama at 12 o'clock tomorrow. Huh?
Mary Gross: 10:25
Dr. Kinley: 10:25 tomorrow at the bus station down there. . .
Man: Is that A.M.
Mary Gross: Yes, A.M.
Dr. Kinley: A.M. in the morning, down at the bus station and so we'll have to pick him up. But now here's what I wanna say about that. Now there's a man that is come out of the Church of Christ... See these people are tired of being fed with garbage. They know within their own conscience there ain't nothing to these things. And I'll tell you something else they've done, I don't, I don't, I don't go along with it at all. Just plain talk Doc, anytime you get up here and you tell me say "Let us pray," and start to reading something, I know you don't know what it's all about. That ain't the way it's done. To me that's not what a prayer is. And I don't care how nice the words are that just isn't it, cause I know better. Now my job is telling you. Now that's how the devil deceive these people, saying nice things and all them kind of things. Saying "Well didn't John teach his disciples how to pray? Didn't Jesus teach His disciples how to pray? And do you mean to say that you don't believe in prayer?" Naw, I didn't say that. I'm afraid I'm the one that does believe in prayer, it's you that don't. Because here's what I'm telling you: The spirit in you, that's what makes the intercession for you, not you reading out of... I don't care if it's a Bible. Now when Jesus was here, He told His disciples, said you pray after this manner. They didn't have the Holy Spirit. But that same Jesus, the same spirit is inside of 'em now making intercession for 'em. See He was out here telling how to pray after this manner, it ain't like that now He's in here. We're not reading out of no script down there, He's in there making the intercession for us. Now that's intercession. Somebody say "Well where do you find that at sir?" You'll find it in the 8th chapter of Romans and the 26th verse. And everyone of them is gonna be answered too. Why?...because He makes the intercession according to the purpose of God and it never did fail. He's down here all out of harmony with the purpose and saying nice things and... I don't go along with nothing like that. You could be reading in the Bible if you want to, and it still won't make me no difference, because you're suppose, you're suppose to have it in you now. He maketh the intercession for you. Now this thing that we get up here often time and say, "Well let's, let us pray, Lord, so and so and so and so and so, and so and so and so and so and so and so and so..." I don't always guarantee that. Now let me say it this way, see if you catch this one. You never seen me up here, none of you ever seen me up here making a prayer. Did you ever see me make one?
Students: No, no.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, I do all the praying around here. Can you understand that kind of language? I do all the preaching. I do all the praying. I do all the singing. Do you get it now?
Dr. Gross: Yes!
Dr. Kinley: See things like that people don't understand. They don't understand and they're puzzled with those things. I know I've said enough now, and at this time I'm gone give way and let the brother, Jeremy, have something to say, or his wife, either one. I want you to give them your undivided attention. Don't read nothing, pay 'tention to what he says, every word, both he and his wife. Thank you.
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ERRONEOUS DOCTRINE PREACHED FROM THE FLOOR

44) * DECEMBER 3,1975: *
ERRONEOUS DOCTRINE PREACHED FROM THE FLOOR
also called: CHASTISEMENT ABOUT THE PHYSICAL IS OUT AND THE NAME IS YAH)
(also called: DETAILED EXPLANATION OF I CORINTHIANS 15)

by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California

audio tape received from David Rosen
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 75.1203
1977
originally transcribed by Sandra Giragosian, Joseph and Susan LaFergola
1997
first proofreading: Michael Rothstein
second proofreading: Cathy Fenti
third proofreading: Geraldine Rothstein
final proofreading: the International Public Relations Committee:
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
PROOFREADERS' NOTES:
1. ... indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.
3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)
4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable
5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber

SCRIPTURE: 1 Corinthians 15
Moderator: ... will be the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I'm always happy and glad to be here to talk with you about the things that pertain to Yahweh and His eternal Purpose through the dispensations and ages. Now I don't always like to get up and express about my feelings and my health and what not. I don't like to do that. But I don't feel like being here, and I had taken medicine before I came. I had a temperature, I.., before I came. I went ahead on and took those pills and then I come on down here just the same. Now I wanna tell you the reason why it is tonight, is because reports have been coming to me about erroneous doctrine that has been preached from this pulpit. Now, if I say they are erroneous, they are erroneous. I wish you would read for me the beginning of the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians.
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Dr. Harris: Moreover, Brethren
Dr. Kinley: Now Paul had already spoken of some things before he got down to this, and so there's some more on top of this. He said, 'Moreover, brethren,' then what?
Dr. Harris: I declare unto you the gospel
Dr. Kinley: I declared unto you the gospel
Dr. Harris: which I preached unto you
Dr. Kinley: which I preached unto you
Dr. Harris: which also
Dr. Kinley: 44 years in my case. Alright. Read on.
Dr. Harris: which also ye have received,
Dr. Kinley: And you received it. I preached it and you received it. The reason why you received it is because you can't refute it. Now I don't care who you are, you can't refute it. You can't dispute it, not with this Bible.
And then I want to say something else right here, too. Now it's stupid in you putting up money to send a Peace.., another Peace Mission overseas to preach an erroneous doctrine over there. Now that's stupid. I wouldn't be asking you to do nothing like that, if we couldn't prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility of Yahweh and His eternal purpose. I wouldn't ask you to do that. Now I don't have to try to defend anything at all. I don't have to do that. I preached it to you. I lived it. I performed the miracles that Yahweh gave to me to perform among you, and you know it. None of it has ever failed, but it is expedient for you to realize and to recognize that the Satanic spirit will rise up among you brethren, I'm talking about, among yourselves. It's just expedient, you can expect that. It's supposed to do that. I am not kicking about that. I just want you to be prepared to reject it, cause I want you to be saved. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: And moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein ye stand;
Dr. Kinley: Now that's where you stand. Alright, read.
Dr. Harris: By which also ye are saved,
Dr. Kinley: Now, you're, you're saved by that gospel. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you
Dr. Kinley: Now that's this, you keep in memory what I preached to you. Now the Devil would have you to do this: to get up on this floor, on this rostrum here, and try to show where you're so much smarter than anybody else. Now you're not any smarter than any body else. I don't care who you are, you're not any smarter than the.., than the other fellow. All of us, none of us wouldn't know anything at all about Yahweh if He hadn't revealed His purpose to us. So now you quit
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exalting yourself by getting up here trying to say something about somebody. And another thing too is, ____ ____. And I knew about it, getting up here personating people, saying, 'when I put the finger on somebody, then they're the devil, a satanic spirit.' Now that means that you are one! You wouldn't have said that if you hadn't of been.
Now here's Paul right in this 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, he said he was the 'least of the apostles.' He was the greatest of 'em, spoke in more tongues than all of 'em, went and preached in geographical areas further and more than any of all the twelve of 'em, all the rest of the eleven of 'em, made more voyages, underwent more persecutions, and trials and tribulations, and was caught up to the third heaven and saw things that was impossible for a man to utter. And here's a man, has.., speak all them many different tongues and yet and still, he said 'if I speak with the tongues of angels and the tongues of men and I don't have love or charity, it profit me nothing.' See yourself. Realize that you are right down to the end of this age. This thing is not going to go on this way, folks. That's all there is to that. In this thing getting it twisting up scriptures. I heard about that, too, trying to make it mean something else, trying to preach and teach that everything's.., that all the natural is gone, nothing else but spirit. Now that's not so. Trying to preach and teach that you have immortality as of now. That's a lie. That's not so. You can't prove it by no Bible. Why don't you try to reading sometime? Now that which is first is natural, then you take the natural... Yahweh made the natural things as He made 'em, so you could look at it and tell something about the spiritual things. Now if you're gonna do away with the natural, then you don't have nothing to explore from at all. Now it was said that you gotta get away from blood, water and spirit. Well now, listen here, let me tell you something. Now any idiot could see what I'm fixing to talk about now, just any idiot. You don't really need no sense. Now I'll show you what I mean. Now if you have to get away from blood, water and spirit. Yahweh is spirit. Then you let Yahweh be everything. Now that's stupid to get up here and make statements like that. Nobody don't think no more of you for making those statements like that. They see you're wrong, anybody that knows anything about the truth. You're not deceiving nobody but yourself. Now, I'm not mad, I'm sincere. And what I'm saying to you, I've always said things to you right direct to your face. I don't go downstairs and say something behind your back that I don't say to your face. Yahweh sent me in the world to preach to you just what I have preached. I have delivered it to you. There's nothing you can do with it. I don't care who you are, and where you are come from. And the Apostle Paul has said this, 'Though we or angel preach any other gospel to you than that we have already preached, let him be anathema or a curse.' Now that's the way it is. I don't care how long you been here, either. That don't make no difference, make a bit of difference. And I delivered it to you just as I received it. And there has never been nobody able to refute it, successfully refute and dispute with what we have taught in this school. And I want to tell you something else too. You don't know nobody, even in history, to say nothing about just walking around. You don't know nobody in history that has performed any greater miracles than Yahweh had did by this little
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black body that you see standing here on this floor. If you think you do, stand up. I'd like to take a look at you, and examine some of you. I'll go into it with you in fuller detail. And what I.., many things I have taught from this floor, presidents and kings and queens and popes have had to stoop to it, and bow their knees. That's right. There's no way around it. And any time I choose to, I'll tell you what's going to happen anywhere in the world. And you don't know nobody else can do that, but me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That's right. Dr. Traynham, will you permit me to say something without getting mad with you, I mean you getting mad with me? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I say this by the way of edification. It's not by the way of trying to throw off on anything on anybody, because I've already done told you that I am not smart. I'm as smart as you are, and I'm as dumb as you are. Let's give Yahweh the glory. Don't nobody care nothing about you. Now this is what I want to say, and I asked his permission. I tell you this, because I said it behind his back. I said that he would have to come back down here and confess, him and Elfreda ____ ____, that he was wrong. Now he's not the only one that should have done that. That goes for my sons, both of 'em. Now, part of it wasn't his fault. I ain't going into that, but now he did come back and admitted to you that he was wrong. And listen, you just have to forgive the man, whether you want to or not. And if you feel like you don't want to forgive him, why then you have to go to hell. I'm giving it to you straight. And all this foolishness we've got, we've got to stop. Now the reason why I'm just as concerned as I am about it, is because you are right down now where you have a.., in a position now, at almost any time to receive the reward. I stood in the floor and told you that it would not be in 1975, as the Roman Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses, and the Church of God and others have taught. It wouldn't be that at all. Yahshua the Messiah will be revealed from heaven, listen, taking flaming vengeance on them that know not Yahweh. That's in the second chapter of 2nd Thessalonians. Now this is what I told him, what I'm gonna tell you about. And now I said to him, 'now, this is to you,' I'm talking about Dr. Wilbur Traynham. Now since he had made the statement just like I had said, while I've been standing here in the pulpit, many people have been healed. I've made all kinds of predictions for 44 years. Well, he didn't know nothing about 'em, he just heard about 'em. And therefore, he said he heard about 'em. Is that right, Dr. Traynham?
Wilbur Traynham: That's correct.
Dr. Kinley: I said, 'well now look, to let you know, I'm gonna give you one just for you. I haven't said anything to anybody else about it.' I told him what was going to happen within 24 or 48 hours, 48 hours or 24 hours that there would be an earthquake. Where?
Wilbur Traynham: In Istanbul, Turkey
Dr. Kinley: Did it happen?
Wilbur Traynham: Right on time.
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Dr. Kinley: You see that now? Now that one was for him. I, I could have told you about it, but I didn't. I have told you about many things just like that. I told you about when Pope John the 23rd would come off of that throne over there. I told you that Roosevelt would be nominated and elected the last time he run, and he wouldn't be in the White House one year from the day of his inauguration. Check your records. I told you when the Second World War would break out and every one of the nations that would go to war at that time. I taught it right in this school, right from the pulpit. I told you when Cardinal Stritch died and I was standing in the pulpit. I told you, 'He just drew his last breath.' Some of 'em got up and went outdoors and turn that radio on in their cars and it said, the man just died, just drew his last breath. Now look folks, as I said, now a man just can't do that. So you just don't need be giving me no credit for it. The reason why I'm telling you about it is, I want you to know that Yahweh does exist and it's not hard. There's a reason. And you don't know nobody that's told the history of the world 40.., for 44 years and told you anything. I told you about Julius Rosenberg and his wife would get the secret of the atomic bomb. And everybody said I was wrong. I just told you anything I wanna tell you, then go to this board and figure out and show you how it's done. I told you about the earthquake in Alaska and all those kinds of things.
Now last of all along that line, I want, I want to tell you this. Now my life.., I'm not well. Now my life, my life is staked upon what I am doing; in other words, when I was bed fast, they come into my bedroom before they went overseas. They had.., they didn't have no contacts. Did you have contacts?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: They come in my bedroom and asked me. Well, it looks like a, just a sightseeing tour. 'Will you be with us?' ' I will.' Now that was just really not me that was saying that. That was the same one that said it before. 'Certainly I will be with thee.' And that's what it is that's with 'em. Now folks, they know whether, I'll, I'll ask, I, I, I'm talking to those now that were on this voyage overseas. Could you feel the presence of Yahweh
Some Peace Mission Delegates: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: with you through that voyage. Yes, indeed. They knew I was there. The Holy Spirit, Yahweh. Yes, Yahweh is in my and in you, too. I'm not leaving you, leaving it out. So somebody says, 'Yahweh's not in me, the Devil's in me.' Yes, Yahweh has power over the Devil. You don't need to worry about that. Now, next thing I.., that's for that.
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The next thing I wanna get on is these charts. I wanna tell you about 'em. There isn't anybody in the world that makes charts for the purpose of God, the creation and the purpose of God, or the purpose of Yahweh like it really is. That cannot be done. Now you know what you would have to do in order to do that? You'd have to be able to create a man. You'd have to be able to create a sun, moon and stars; in other words, you'd have to be the creator in order to do it. Now, sometimes
people look at these and say, 'Oh that's wonderful, but I think this is wrong here. I think that's wrong.' Follow? Well, the thing of it is, to tell you the truth about it, Yahweh is not on these charts. These are just pictorial illustrations, and they're not professional at that. Now there isn't anybody setting under the sound of my voice that can pick out some things and show you. There isn't anybody setting under the sound of my voice that don't have sense enough to know that everybody in here has some skin on his body, all over his body. Everybody's got skin on their body, not skin like that. This tabernacle here, it don't have even have a top on it. Now I've got sense enough to know that that ain't the way it is, and you ought, you ought to too. Now, so far as the rest of it is concerned, you can't, you can't point out no direction of Yahweh. He's everywhere. Now, not only that, let's look at, some of you didn't get it. Look at this up in here. I'm talking about these veils in here. They had to put these veils in the outer section down there. They had put them veils in here to start out with. Now, you don't see no veils in here. You don't see none in there at all. I know what this is all about. I'm not that stupid. I know they're illustrations, and they're limited too. There's no life in nothing on these, on, on these charts. Now, I wanna tell you something else. Suppose you take Isaiah 46:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Remember the former things of old...
Dr. Kinley: Now, He's saying to Israel through the prophet Isaiah, He's telling them to remember the former things of old. Now, what were the former things of old? What Moses and them had said to 'em. Now, listen, coming right back to it again, so we can show you. Now look. Now we just got through saying, 'you got to leave blood, water and spirit,' and we went into that and that's wrong. Now then in Isaiah 8:20, He said, 'To the law..,' that's all back in here. Now, if you're gonna leave that and to the prophecy, Yah.., then Yahweh's made an awful mistake. Why don't you wake up? Then I heard about the names, saying the name wasn't Yahweh, it was Yah.
Now I, now, now the reason why I'm bringing these things up is I want to point, I want to show you how stupid it is. And you, any child of any age, just any idiot, you don't even need no sense to see that. You ought to be able to see what that is in a person. Now the third chapter of Exodus, Yahweh said Hisself what His name was. Now He ain't got sense enough to say what His name is? He ain't got sense enough to tell you what His name is, and here you know what your name is, and all that running around. You oughta be able to see what that is in anybody. Now folks, I taught you the truth. I gave it to you just like it is. And Yahweh has performed many miracles and all kinds of prophecies have been fulfilled. And I
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told you many things about 'em.
And I told you, 'if they didn't come to pass like I said, 'don't come back to this school no more, just quit.' And then, you're not going anywhere else in town and get what you can get down here. Both ways. Now that's right. ____ ____. Now I wanna make this.., I wanna make this clear enough for you with these charts and these, these illustrations. Finish reading that verse.
Dr. Harris: Remember the former things of old
Dr.Kinley: Remember the former things of old
Dr. Harris: for I am El
Dr. Kinley: for I am El
Dr. Harris: and there is none else
Dr.Kinley: And there is none else, there, there just really, really is no other. There are.., they just called God all by Himself. There is.., yeah, they have plenty of idols, but He said He was all by.., there wasn't any like Him. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: I am Elohim and there is none like me,
Dr. Kinley: And there is, there, there is none like me. Read.
Dr. Harris: Declaring the end from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: Now, right there. Now right there. There hasn't never been no idols that anybody ever has thought up or picked up, or no angels or nothing that has had the ability to declare the end right from the beginning. Ain't never been nothing like that. He said all by Hisself, the only one that do it. Now what did you bring that up for? Now the reason why I brought that up, He's El and now the El, I wanna put that in here, too. The El, that's an abbreviation, just like Y A H is abbreviation. Y A H is abbreviation for Yahweh. The El is abbreviation for Elohim. Elohim is a title, Yahweh is a name. Now, you've been taught all of these things. And you know anytime anybody gets up on this floor, I don't care where they come from, and try to show it any other kinda way, they're wrong. Now if you want to know where all this, that and the other comes from, I've asked you to read the preface in your Holy Name Bible many times. There's not a Jew, not, not a Jewish rabbi on earth today that don't know that Elohim, and Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah is right. All the rest of 'em is erroneous. Now, even after knowing that, knowing the name is Yahweh, of our heavenly father, and he's got it right in the Masoretic text on one side, I got one too at the house, got the, got the Masoretic text, in Hebrew, now on one side and English on the other. And right under, right on his side of the page, where it says Yahweh, he's got...
Dr. Harris: Adonai.
Dr. Kinley: What?
Dr. Harris: Adonai.
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Dr. Kinley: Adonai right under it. He will not read Yahweh, he says Adonai. Do you see that?
Now look. Now He said that He declared the end right from the beginning. He said He was.., none like Him. No there wasn't no nothing, angels or nothing could do that: declaring the end from the beginning. Now what I'm talking about is the charts. And I'm talking about this stupendous revelation that was given me, and I've drawn it out in, in part to reveal the purpose.
Now, when you bring that back here to the beginning, Yahweh is pure spirit, invisible, or source, and then it's inorganic, then it's organized into an embodiment, spirit embodiment, which Moses could see in, in, in a vision. Now this would be the beginning of Moses' vision of the creation. Pay attention now to what I am saying, cause I'm trying to show you something that Yahweh showed me. Listen up. Now, this is the beginning of Moses' vision of Yahweh Elohim and the creation. That's what this is. Now notice each one of these plates ____ after the pattern. You have this Outer Court here, just like this tabernacle here has it. Here you have the Holy Place in here, just like that. You have a Holy Place, a Most Holy Place, declaring the end from the beginning. Pay attention, now. Pay attention. He, Himself, is the archetype pattern of the universe, that means this: that everything in the universe, it doesn't make any difference what it is. Every animate and so-called inanimate object and thing in the universe must point to Him. It doesn't make any difference whether it's the cell, the atom, just simply doesn't make any difference. Now then, here's what that brings me to. This is what it brings me to. It brings me to showing you that each and every one of these things, one is an analogy of the other. One corresponds and correlates with the other. All working, the beginning to the end. And Yahweh is the only one that could do that. Nobody else can do it. Everything in nature, it makes no difference what it is, it's got to do that. Now that's how He proves His own existence. He don't need you to prove His existence. You can't make Him any greater than He is and you can't make Him any smaller, belittle Him any more ____ ____ to do. There's nothing you can do about it. So now, the best thing for you to do is to, is to try to come down here and try to learn something and through the teaching. Don't, don't, don't, don't get up there and tell these people things that are not in the Bible, and things you can't prove. Don't do that, because if you do, it'll prove that you don't know. Now telling somebody that we have an immortal body now, it's not so. You have a physical body now. And that was read right there in the 15th Chapter of 1st Corinthians. Read it, Dr. Harris.
You have an eternal spirit, those of you that have the Holy Spirit. You have an eternal spirit dwelling in a physical or natural or a mortal body. You do not have an immortal body, an immortal body.
Dr. Harris: verse 51. Behold, I show you a mystery;
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: We shall not all sleep,
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Dr. Kinley: Now, behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, or do what you call die and be hauled off to the cemetery. Alright. Read.
Dr. Harris: but we shall all be changed.
Dr. Kinley: Now everybody in here shall be changed. Everybody. And the reason why that change is coming up. And let's see if we can find out when it will happen. I think it's the second or third chapter. Third chapter. We want to find out when it will happen. Don't loose the place.
Dr. Harris: For our citizenship is in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Our citizenship is in heaven.
Dr. Harris: From whence also we are expecting our savior King.
Dr. Kinley: from whence also.
Dr. Harris: our savior, King
Dr. Kinley: our savior, King, Yahshua the Messiah
Dr. Harris: Who shall change our vile body
Dr. Kinley: Now, who shall change your physical or your natural, or your corruptible ____ ____, your.., who shall change, at that time. Now can't you see it's stupid getting up here telling somebody you're immortal now? You got your ages mixed up. That's what's coming up. Now, that spirit that's in this body, it will be clothed upon with an immortal body or an incorruptible body, when He's revealed from heaven. Read, Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,
Dr. Kinley: like unto his glorious body,
Dr. Harris: according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that's it. Now do you see that? Don't teach that mess down here no more. Now listen, since Yahweh has declared the end from the beginning, the whole thing from start to finish is all over with so far as He's concerned, And it's all gonna happen just like He declared, but it's you that haven't, that didn't get it, that hasn't got to it yet. Now look. We tried to give it to you this way, there's seven days in a week. One day follows the other. There's seven weeks in a cycle of weeks. There's seven months in a cycle of months. There's seven years in a cycle of years. There's seven millenniums in a cycle of millenniums. You see that now? And each and every one of them, all of it, please pay attention, each and every one of 'em, one is an analogy to the other. Now maybe somebody don't know what I mean by an analogy. Now, get Isaiah 28:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Whom shall He teach knowledge...
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Dr. Kinley: Now, just a minute, Doc. Before you read that, I want you to go back and read what Yahshua the Messiah said about Moses.
Dr. Harris: John 5:45: Do not think that I will accuse you to the father
Dr. Kinley: Do not think that He will accuse you to the father
Dr. Harris: There is one that accuseth you,
Dr. Kinley: There is one that accuseth you
Dr. Harris: Even Moses whom you trust
Dr. Kinley: And Mo.., even Moses in whom you trust
Dr. Harris: For had you believed Moses
Dr. Kinley: For had you believed Moses
Dr. Harris: ye would have believed me
Dr. Kinley: You would have believed me
Dr. Harris: For he wrote of me
Dr. Kinley: Now, Moses wrote of Him. Now, before you come to school, Dr. Williams you didn't even know that. You haven't known it too long as it is. Now one person said, 'Well, yes, He might have been back there with Moses, so far as the spirit is concerned, but not the body.' Well, it's, it's, it's His lie, not mine. He said He was back there. He said Moses wrote of Him. Said Abraham, he was glad to see His day. The thing of it is, we and our little old carnal mind all wrought up, we're not able to see the possibility of Him being back there with them in the same body I'm talking about. Yahweh is a mystery. No question about that. You can't put nothing past Him. Isn't a thing He can't do. Now if He can change this one to an immortal body. He ought to be able to give you., well somebody said, 'now look here, did you ever read over here where the scripture says that I am Yahweh and I never change over here, Yahweh don't never change. Now He got it down here in the first chapter of John where the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we behold His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Hung up on it. Say look, let me tell you this. Whatever.., well, let's put It.., got back ____ ____ cause this is what's wrong. If I can try to lay emphasis on this.
Ayah Asher Ayah, in order to make this Yah. Now, there's.., that's A Y A H. Now this is what it means in Hebrew, I will be. Now, that's what it means. This does not mean that this is Yah. That does not mean that that's His name. It means that He will be whatever He wills to be. And look Freddie or Luther, He's not changing. He hasn't changed at all. He was that in the first place. Do you understand what I mean by that? No, He didn't change from one thing to something else, He was already that. ____ ____ ____ ____. Whatever He wanted to be. That's what He was! Do you all understand what I mean by that? I mean He wouldn't change, He was already that way. A state of existence where He could be what He wanted to be, whatever that was. What's that all about. You read in the first, 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians verse 28th, look at it.
Student Body: All in all.
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Dr. Kinley: That Yahweh might be all in all. So now, whenever you are up here, just don't forget Yahweh is all in all, and we all don't know that. But don't you try to leave out the natural and run way over yonder and grab up something, cause Yahweh's all in all. Matter has it's source of derivative from spirit. That's where it came from, and that's where it's going to. Did you understand me on that?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Devil and all had its source of derivative. How about that? Do you all understand what I'm talking about? Anybody in the room don't understand what I'm talking about, hold up your hand; got any questions to ask hold up your hand. I wanna answer 'em for you. That's why I come down here sick tonight. And I don't mind even standing here and there, then, then preaching til I.., if Yahweh's will pass on outta here. It's alright with me. I'm ready! I ain't getting ready at all. I'm already ready. That's right. And my life is predicated upon that. And I am not gonna tell you no lies, one way or the other. And I'm not going along with no erroneous doctrine. And I don't care who you are, the least to the greatest. I'm chastising our president. And I think he should love me for it.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, if you think I'm deceived and I shouldn't be that way, then you let me know about that, and that's alright with me, if that's the way you think, but I'm still gonna tell you. That's what my job is, that's what I'm gonna do, as long as Yahweh lets breath stay in this body, and I'm able to get up here and have something to say. Alright. Read the verse about Yahweh being all in all.
Dr. Harris: And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
Dr. Kinley: Now Yahweh put all things under Him, and when all things shall be subject to, or subdued, or He has overcome everything, to the extent that ____ knowledge, that it is subdued. You understand what I mean by that? I'm using a word there. Alright. Then what?
Dr. Harris: Then shall the son, also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him
Dr. Kinley: Then shall the Son, Yahshua be subject unto Yahweh Elohim, who put all things under Him. What's that all about?
Dr. Harris: that Yahweh may be all in all.
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Dr. Kinley: That Yahweh, now you see what, see what we have got there? That Yahweh may be all in all. That, that now, that derivative that's all that, that there is. But put it down straight. Put it down with an analogy. I brought this out so that you could see that He will be whatever He wills to be. I wouldn't think very much of it if He didn't have sense enough to tell you what His name was. Would you? I would think that you would be able to tell somebody what your name was, if you wasn't mentally deranged. Now I'm just pointing out this ignorance that these people have tried to get up here, and you should know better. No, I don't like it. This is, that's my job, is, is, is just keeping this thing straight. And as long as there's breath in this body, that's what I will do. And I will jump on anybody from anywhere. Now I try to be a diplomat about it. I hear a lot of mistakes that are made from one time to the other, but I don't say anything right away to you, unless you force me to. I have been forced to do that. Probabilities are some of you have remembered it, some
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A man come in here one time and he said that God had sent him to, to set up the kingdom of God on earth. Now, he forced my hand there. I said it wasn't so. He said I was a liar, but it still ain't so. ____ set up a kingdom of God. I've gotta know something about it. Now he has made himself housing. This is the house this man live in, that's a housing. You don't need no minister, no housing there do you? You already got one. This is spiritual food and why would you wanna go to washing yourselves out there ____ somewhere. ____ ____ ____ ____ learn something about it. All this old erroneous dogma. But these things have got to be, they have got to come to pass. There's no question about it. Now let me go back. I asked for Isaiah 28:9 and 10.
Dr. Harris: Whom shall he teach knowledge?
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen, this is a question asking, He says 'Whom shall he teach knowledge?' He ain't gonna teach nobody no knowledge that calls him a liar and says He don't know what His name is. Somebody says, 'Well, if, I'm hot about.., I don't like the thought of you jumping on me.' But I tell you one thing, the dividends will be great, if you would accept the chastisement now, rather than to wait til later, cause later, you'll have to like it and abide by the consequences. Whom shall He teach knowledge, and whom...
Dr. Harris: and whom shall he make to understand doctrine
Dr. Kinley: Now, whom shall He make to understand doctrine. Now Yahshua the Messiah said, 'My doctrine is not my own.' Now I want, I want you, I want you to follow what I'm talking about, cause I don't think that a lot of you know exactly what I'm talking about, cause I haven't explained myself sufficient for you to understand what I'm talking about. I'll, I'll tell you what I mean. Yahweh said this: I didn't say this. 'To the law and to the prophets.' That's what He said. Now He
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revealed to Moses the things that Moses wrote in the first five books of your Bible, Now, He revealed to the prophets what they wrote in conjunction and relation to everything that Moses wrote. In other words, listen now, it takes one, the law to confirm the prophets, both of them coming from Yahweh, one confirms the other, just like each one of these plates. Who shall He teach knowledge, and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? They that are drawn from the breast and weaned from the milk. Why is that? Because each and every one of these plates, one has got to be an analogy of the other. All of them are directed by the pattern, and He is the archetype pattern. The natural, the incorporeal, the invisible, all of it is that way. And when you read about the natural, that's what Paul said there in the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians; maybe you'd better read it again doc about the natural being first.
Dr. Harris: Howbeit, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual.
Dr. Kinley: Now I could turn that just to the opposite. I wouldn't be wrong either, because it's spiritual or angelic or being the spirit Himself was first, that's the reason why I said the first Adam and the last Adam, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. But what He's talking about is that which you have to use, the natural things, or the physical things, that Yahweh used to give to you to understand that what's first. That was first; that was before you. Now, alright there go back to Isaiah.
Dr. Harris: For precept must be upon precept.
Dr. Kinley: Now look here. Precept must be upon precept, because what you're doing, it don't make no difference now where you go, even from the beginning of the creation. Now that's what we have taught you. And anytime anybody else gets up here on this floor and teaches you anything else, he's a liar. And it's wrong, You can't start in the spirit and teach somebody something about something they can't see and know nothing about. You have to take the natural things and then bring it from there. Somebody says, 'Well, what does God look like?' He made the man in His own likeness and image, so that he could look at him and see how He is, but He made him a natural to reflect the spiritual, so that you wouldn't have no excuse. Now all these things Yahweh has revealed 'em to me. And I've tried hard to show you. I've been persecuted about it. I've been beat up, I mean bodily, bodily beat up to try to make me take it back. You can't do that. You can kill me, I, I, I ain't taking it back. Now you can begin to understand what I'm talking about? Now, we know that from the Day of Pentecost on down, they had that,they had the Holy Spirit. I would have you to know this, that Moses had the Holy Spirit back here. There wasn't anything new about a man having the Holy Spirit back there with Moses, before Moses. Enoch, the seventh from Adam had the Holy Spirit. Now how about that? And all the prophets, they prophesied with the Holy Spirit, but collectively, mankind didn't have it until the Day of Pentecost. And then, on top of all of that, the Holy Spirit didn't come and abide
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with you, or stay with you. Whenever he performed what the Holy Spirit had, had for him to perform, that's the reason why you talk about, hear them talk about the major and the minor prophets, little or much. Whenever he got to the end of whatever Yahweh had for him to do, there's where He stopped at, the Holy Spirit departed and he was like any other man. But, now, since Pentecost, He comes and abides with you forever, even in the ages yet to come. That's what He said. Now, if you don't think He said it, I'll read it. That's the 28th chapter of Matthew and the 19th and 20th verses. It's there ____ ____ ____ sit yourself right down here. And then we're ____ ____. That's why we come here. That's why I go back, pick it up and see Him back there. He's fulfilling here ____ ____, all through, all through. But you can't deny the flesh. You just can't do it. We don't walk after the flesh. Now you've heard me preach enough about that. We're not walking after the flesh again. We're not walking according to flesh. We walk after the spirit. We don't do the things that was under the Old Covenant, in that physical way of doing things. We don't do them that way. Just like you take communion or the, the Lord's Supper naturally so, pass it around on the plate; we don't do it that way. That's not the way it's supposed to be done. But you are the partakers of the Holy Spirit. Now what I'm doing, I'm ministering unto you spirit and you are partakers of it right where you're setting, setting on your seat. Just like you were partaker of this ____ that was passed around. You were a partaker of it. And you put it in your mouth and ate it that way. But now it's not passed around like that in the flesh. If the Holy Spirit is in the speaker and he speaks by the Holy Spirit, and you are partakers of that same spirit, that, that, that pointed to the spirit in the first place. There's nothing in your Bible about no Gentile eating no Lord's suppers. There's nothing in there about no baptisms, no water baptisms, it's not in the Bible. Now, anybody thinks it is, why look it up. Yahweh never said nothing to no Gentiles about being baptized in physical water in the history of the world. He never said anything about them eating no Lord's suppers, as the Jews did under the Old Covenant. The fact of the matter is, the Jews themselves are not under the Old Covenant now. He's under the New Covenant. He's a partaker of the Holy Spirit. Now what I'm really talking about folks is this: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ in this mystery, in the natural, ____ ____ and then you have the Holy Spirit.
But now who's He gonna teach knowledge? Them that are weaned from this. That doesn't mean that the natural heavens and earth don't exist. It does. And you as a natural, physical man, you, that you are a partaker of the spirit in this present dispensation and age. Right? Now I showed you also that what's coming up next will be this, the change of your mortal or your physical body. You have an eternal spirit abiding in a mortal body. And anybody tell you anything else is a liar. That's what it is. ____ dispensation . It's got to ____ you ____ ____. And Yahweh declared the end from the beginning and ____ ____ . Dr. Harris Isaiah 28:19, 20. This is the only way that you know, this is the way Yahweh set the thing up. Read.
Dr. Harris: For precept must be upon precept.
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Dr. Kinley: Now look here. See this line here, precept must be upon precept. Precept must be and it must be that all the way through, from every animate and inanimate object and thing in the universe, it doesn't make any difference what it is. That's the way it's got to be. Precept upon precept. Now you get up and twist up something, try to make it fit. They tell me there's been some twisting going on down here too. You don't have to twist up nothing. What, what, what we, what we're doing is untwisting that which is twisted. No, you, you stay right down here where, where you belong at. Yahweh didn't do away with the physical. Precept must be upon precept, line upon line. Read on.
Dr. Harris: Line upon line. Line upon line.
Dr. Kinley: That's right.
Dr. Harris: Here a little
Dr. Kinley: Here a little. Moses in the law
Dr. Harris: and there a little.
Dr. Kinley: Over to the prophets and then on over to the fulfillment. To the institution and the fulfillment. And it's got to fit. Now here's what I mean by fit: as an analogy. You got to bring it up and blood here and water there, this is the pattern that dictates this. Now then, you've got to do that all the way, clear on back, clear on back into pure spirit, and then come out of there and down in the natural, now listen, and then on back into pure spirit again. That's the way you got to do it. Now, you haven't arrived in totality back into pure spirit. You have not arrived. Does anybody in the building don't understand what I'm talking about? Now look folks, I'm gonna tell you one more time. Each and every thing, look up here, that he drew ____ is like a ____. Now you can't get up off of this blood all the way down. You can't get up off of it clear on through here. You can't get up off of this water, clear on through. Now let me show you what I mean. The life of the flesh is in the blood. Is that almost right doc? What He gave in that He shed His blood, He gave His life. That's the blood, that's the, the, that, that, what's in the blood. The life of the flesh is in the blood. Living water. Don't you see you can't get up off that? It's got to go all the way through, clear on all the way through and on back into, into Yahweh Elohim. Now that's Him declaring the end from the beginning. You can't do none of these out of context. It has to happen. There's no way out of it. Now, that's the reason why Roman Catholicism and Protestantism can't preach the gospel.
And while I'm on it, I've heard that it was said down here that we haven't preached the gospel down here. Some old folks said it too. Well that ain't what they said before then. They said before then, it was, it was the place where the gospel was preached. Then when they got up and said that it wasn't.., the gospel wasn't being preached down here, he made his ownself out a liar. My job is chastising and I'll do it. Yes I will. I don't care who you are either. it don't make any difference. I'm indebted to you. I owe you that and I'm gonna pay my bill. That's all there is to it. And if I didn't do that, it would indicate or show that I didn't love you and I'm just like all the rest of the hypocrites and liars, if I didn't do it. No. If
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it wasn't true that Yahweh revealed these things to me way back there, if it was false, I'd of looked all of you straight in the face a long time ago and told every last one of you go to the lake, or go to hell or I wouldn't ____ ____ ____. No, indeed. I think that it's your indispensable duty to try to ____ the gospel, because you have been taught the doctrine. There's no question about that and I defy you to say that I've been lying to you. If I say something in disputation of what you are saying, I'm not gonna take it back. You can see me any time after this, any time after I go out that door. As long as breath is in my body, I ain't taking it back. How about that? Now, you can come and see me about this if you want to, but I ain't gonna take it back, and you are a liar if you try to fix anything about it too.
____ ____ ____ I don't care a thing about your credentials. That's the way it is. Now the reason I'm talking up here, Yahweh gave me a message to give to you and I'm gonna do it at any cost. I have said this. If my mother had been setting in the audience, I could not. Look here, if my mother were setting out in the audience I would have enough respect for her to tell her to get up and get out of there because I'm fixing to preach the truth. If I knew the truth would kill her, I would at least have enough respect for her to say, 'you better get out of here cause I'm aiming to preach the truth.' She disbelieves me and want to sit there and then she'd burn up.
Yahweh is real with me, folks. I'm not trying to make no mark in life. Nothing like that. I expect to be persecuted for what I say and if I wasn't persecuted for what I say, then there's something wrong with me, because the things that I say I say spiritually so, but I always use that natural to back me up. That's the way Yahweh did it. Now, it's about time for this service to close. Now does anybody got any questions to ask? I'd like to, or if you wanna dispute something, I'll take it, or if you wanna confess something, or say something other whatever, whatever it is, it is a privilege to do so.
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Tired Of Repetition Sunrise/Sunset

TIRED OF REPETITION
SUNRISE/SUNSET
BY
DR. H.C. KINLEY
Bakers Union Hall
Los Angeles, California
12/18/74 (1)

[Beginning statement missing]
Dr. Kinley: . . . in such a way that you can understand it,
but there's always gonna be misunderstandings. Now what we have
tried to get over to you here right recently is that you're
living in the end of this probationary period. Now if you have
any intentions at all of being saved, you must go where the truth
is taught, see. Now you just can't do your way about it you have
to do Yahweh's way, and if not, then you're just gonna be lost.
Now that's plain, simple, and easy to be understood language.
Now we have in these last prophetic seconds of this probationary
period, (you notice I didn't say age), all kinds of erroneous
teachings, some outstanding ignorance and superstitions and
traditions and customs. All of it derived from those Satanic
spirits that were in heaven and was cast out to the earth. Now
you're being warned all the time about it, and they are
responsible for the erroneous teaching that's going on. They
were created for that purpose, they were ordained, (so says Jude)
for that purpose. Yahweh made 'em that way, there is no
conversion for 'em, now I guess you understand that. Now it
behooves you, since you are living and breathing and walking
around with the right mind, and all those kind of things, to
kinda look around and find out some things for sure. Now you can
tell that this Bible is not understood. Now here's how you can
tell it. You see, first of all, is because there is so many
secular denominations disagreeing with one another. Right?
Audience: Right
Dr. Kinley: And since that is true, then you know there's
something wrong. Them people can put their hand or their finger
right on a passage in the Bible and read... Now it's not our
contentions down here that the people can't read, but suppose you
look at Matthew 24:15 now I didn't say this.
Reader: When you therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy
Place. Whoso readeth let him understand.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you understand that? "Now when you therefore
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see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the
prophet, stand in the Holy Place." It didn't say set down now!
I'd like to make that clear too. See in the Holy Place here, you
had the golden candlestick, the table of shewbread, and the altar
of, golden altar of incense. There is no seat in there for
nobody to set on. The throne is in the Most Holy Place, that's
where the seat is so you stand up in here. Now that would be
correlated with the, the wilderness here, you understand. Now they were on a journey to Canaan's land, see, on the move. They could have made that trip from Egypt to, back into Canaan's land in forty days, but for their disobedience it took forty years, (one day for a year, that's prophetic time). Now if they were going to make it in forty days, (603,550 people, that's a great multitude), why then they wouldn't have no time to be loafing around and sitting around, you understand. They had a leader too.
And you'd be surprised that here this year Ambassador College up
there in Pasadena, Armstrong, Ted Garner Armstrong and his father
had a fifty two million dollar a year income. And Ted Garner
said this year, that neither his father or he knew that Jesus was
back here with Moses. He didn't know that. And he read around
in the Bible and picked up verses and chapters to prove that He
was back there. Now did you know where he got it from?
Now here is a man here, Revern' Sun Myon Moon from Korea, he
claims to have had a vision and a revelation. I got some more
literature at the house to about this. And I make it my business to see to it that I pick up all of these things and bring 'em down here to school and show you, and show you how they make a lot of mistakes. Now here on this side you have... A lot of you have probably gotten some of these. He's gone be here on the 23rd of this month. Now this is an excerpt that was taken from one of his lectures. Now some of you have read this the
possibilities are. Now he hasn't said nothing, not a thing,
other than talk, he just talked about God. Getting God back in
the church, and getting God back in the, uh, your home,
getting God, uh, uh, see, all that kind of talk don't mean a
thing! Don't mean nothing! "God's hope for America," that's
even stupid, you know, "God's hope for America." He's engineering the thing, now why should he have a hope for America? He said He was gonna do all of His pleasure. See? You follow? And the Devil is no obstruction and no hindrance at all, rather he's an asset rather than a liability, you see. But now all them kind of things, they take people's attention, see.
Now I'll have to, (I just simply have to do it), is to tell you
about these things. I don't have no out or alternative for it.
See? And I must show you in such a way that you can tell
something about it. Now if I can't do that then Yahweh didn't
send me! See that now? Now there isn't anybody in this place as
of now but what can't learn something about the truth. I mean
for sure! No more guess work! Now if Yahweh hadn't of fixed it
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that way, then He wouldn't of been justified in sending you to
the Lake.
Now, the order of service on a Wednesday, we have kind of
dedicated it, Wednesday, to this one particular thing. Now if
you don't know, see we try to give you a lecture and then give
you a break to ask questions. Now we are sure there's a lot of
things that you don't know, now we are sure about that! Cause
Yahweh's eternal purpose is infinite or unlimited and you will be
learning in the age to come, so you're not gonna get over
capacitated with intelligence, I can promise you that. See?
Now look Yahshua the Messiah had along with Him a man by the name
of Judas,see and He knew who it was from the very beginning that was going to betray Him. Now He had no other alternative other than to choose Judas. He had to do that! And Judas had to do what he done that the scriptures might be fulfilled. And Yahshua the Messiah has to do what He did in order that the scriptures might be fulfilled. You see? Now right recently, I think I should tell you about this, we've had some complaints, not in California now so I don't want you to try.. (I'm saying that so you can blow it on out of your mind now! No, it ain't in California), about teaching the same thing all the time, about the * hearing the same old routine the same old thing all the time. It come
from one of our schools that's as much as I'm gonna tell you
about it. And I wanna talk about that, tonight. Now that's
stupid too, to make a statement like that. Now here Yahweh say
He doesn't change, and here you wanna change something up because
the folks are getting tired of hearing you say the same old
thing. "I don't wanna go down to that school because all they
gonna talk about is that Migratory Pattern or Trek from Egypt to
Palestine, to Canaan's land, how they got down there. God Made
a promise to Abraham, and how that first they had to come down
here and then come back up." And a lot of people haven't even
got that learned, see. But now they're tired of repetition so they say, they wanna get into something new. Now when you get into something new and get away from repetitions or repeating, then you are headed for the lake, that's exactly what you're headed for. That's right. It functions the same way all the time. Now look Freddie, see you're sitting there breathing aren't you? Now when you stop breathing you know what the rest of the story is. Now when you get tired of breathing on the count of repetition... [Audience Laughs] I'm just trying.., see I try to make things simple and easy for people to understand so it won't be no necessity of you stumbling and blundering around, see. See you don't even have to think in order to breathe, if you did, then you just might forget and find yourself dead. Now breathing is an involuntary function, your heartbeat is an involuntary function. Now there is a voluntary, voluntary function that's left up to you, and you don't do to well with them. Want me to tell you something about that?
Audience: Yes. Yeah.
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Dr. Kinley: Well now a voluntary function is something that you
have some control over and you can, you can execute or you can do
yourself. See? Now you'll go and sit down and eat. Right?
Audience: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That's a voluntary thing. And then after you eat
there's something else got to take place,you see, and if you don't go and take care of that.
Audience: Laughter.
Dr. Kinley: See what I mean? Then you gone have to send for
the doctor or go to the drug store and get you something to take
you got constipation! Well that's right! Some people are
just lazy, they won't do that that's necessary. Now that might
sound kind of stupid to you. Say "Well I thought that man was
gonna talk something about God, and joining church, uh getting
rid of sin and all lika that." You'd be surprised, see, you'd be
surprised. And then somebody'll come along and say this.
"What's he always knocking some of the rest of these churches
for? You see. Every time we turn around he's talking about the Roman Catholics, or the Protestants, or the Orthodox, or the Jews or somebody else, he must think he's the only person in the world
that's right." I've heard all of that. And somebody say, "Well
why don't he stick to what's in the Bible and go on and preach
what's in the Bible and what's in the book." Now if I stood up
here and told you what was in the book, you see, you follow, and you.., wasn't explaining it to you, see you'd be just as bad off as you was in the first place. Somebody say "Oh no I believe the Bible is right, I believe every word of it, King James Version of it." Then if you do you're stupid cause there's some words in there that just simply ought not to be there. In other words let me say this to you. See there is interpolations, admitted interpolations. Now an interpolation is a spurious phrase, and then there is mistranslations. See? Now if you're gonna go along and believe everything you read in the Bible and you get hung up on one of them things, you see, well the average person because they don't know the purpose and how to fit it together, they get hung up on it see. And then if you put it to him then he thinks, say "Well".. He ain't got no explanation for it! You want me to give you one of them things? Go 'head and give him one doc.
Dr. Harris: Exodus 24:9&10. “Then went up Moses, Aaron, Nadab,
and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel and they saw the God of Israel. Then John 1:18 says "No man has seen God at any time."
Dr. Kinley: Now how do you fix that? Do you see? Now you can't
believe both of 'em without being just down right stupid. You
can't believe that they saw the God of Israel and then there's no
man has seen Him at any time. Now you just got to believe one
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thing or the other or else you don't know. And for the most part
the folks don't even know. See? You read over that all the time
before you come here, before anybody said anything to you about
it, see. And the way you did that you just galloped on. You
didn't, you didn't even know that it was any difference in it at
all. There's a lot of things you didn't know. For example, the God of Israel is wrong, You see, and you didn't know that either. Somebody come along and say "Well I don't believe in God." Oh what a pity. Then when you found out about it, then it just wasn't as bad as you thought it was. Now say,"Oh I believe in Jesus." Well that's bad too, but you see you don't know those things.
Now the simplicity of this teaching, see is the thing that
counts. I believe it's the 10th Chapter of Romans, (and I
know what verse it is), and we'd like to get some sense out of it
so it . But one of the verses says "So then faith comes
by hearing."Go on up above there and get the subject. The 10th
Chapter of Romans.
Reader: Starting at the 13th verse. For whosoever shall call
upon the name of Yahweh shall be delivered. How then shall they
call on Him in whom they have not believed. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now how shall they call on Him whom they have not
believed. See? Read.
Reader: and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not
heard?. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, did you hear anything about Yahweh
before you come here?
Audience: No! No!
Dr. Kinley: I wanna know now! Stand up now I wanna see you!
And most everybody here come from some church or organization.
Now you see how important this is? How can you believe on Him in
whom you have not heard you see? Well some somebody say "Well I belong to this, that, and the other church." Well you never heard nothing about Yahweh, see if you did I've asked you to stand up, before you come here. Then somebody wants to say "Well I'm saved." See? "I know I'm right." And this business of just
going on your way, you see, that ain't gone work. Yahshua the
Messiah said "I am the way" And listen, "No man
goeth unto the Father but by Me." Now that's the only way,
that's the only way you can make it. And not only that.., now
are you listening? Mickey you listening? He say he's
listening. Yahshua the Messiah said didn't no man know the
Father but the Son,(How about that?), and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him. That's in the book. "How shall they believe on Him whom they have not heard?" Read.
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Reader: And how shall they hear without a preacher?
Dr. Kinley: And oh, said “Our preacher told us all about that.” And so many people have come here from one time to the other and
said, "Yes, our preacher preaches the same way, uh, the thing you
all preaches down there." Now you know what that spells, that
means you don't know what he's preaching over there! That's
right. You don't know what he's preaching. Said "How long you
been over there?" "Oh I've been over there for fifteen or twenty,
or twenty five, or thirty years. All of my people was born, uh
raised in that church so as to speak. All of my ancestors and
progenitors was raised in there. And if they can die and go to
heaven there, out of that, I can too. I'm satisfied in my
religion!" See there? Now we've heard that, and that's what
they have told us. Now I can't get nobody to stand up, if, if there is, I haven't seen 'em, that they were told about Yahweh before they come here. I know David know something about it but I'm not talking about that. But I'm just, I’m just calling the shots like this, see. As a general thing, and from you reading around in the Bible and from your teachers teaching you, you didn't hear nothing about Yahweh until you come here. See? Then said, "How are you gonna hear without a preacher?" You see, And now here you are down here see, from some other church, and they never told you nothing about Yahweh, and yet in still you think that he was preaching and teaching to you the same thing over there that we're teaching down here, now that just can't make, that don't make no kind of sense. See? Now there's something else important about that too which we're gonna get into. All right read.
Reader: And how shall they preach except they be sent. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now how is he going to preach except he be sent?
How's he gonna do it? They're all sent, either by Yahweh or by
the Devil. All right read.
Reader: As it is written, how beautiful are the feet. . .
Dr. Kinley: "As it is written!" That's another thing you never
paid no attention to till you come down here, you never paid no
attention to it. "As it is written," and you read right on, you
didn't know where it was written, didn't know a thing about it,
never even paid no attention to it, read right on over it. See and we had to stop you and said now, for example, now suppose I say,where is that written? Paul say "It is written." See? And most of us would have to use a concordance or something other like that to find out where it was written, we don't know who said it. See? "How beautiful are the feet of them." All right read on.
Reader: As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of them
that preach the glad tidings of peace. . .
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Dr. Kinley: All right read on.
Reader: and bring glad tidings of good thing. But they have not
all obeyed the Evangel . . .
Dr. Kinley: Now, but now they have not all obeyed the Evangel, or obeyed what you call the Gospel they haven't obeyed, you see! Now you can stand up here and tell people what thus saith Yahweh and they are not going to obey it, all of 'em. And somebody go around here and say "Well how you know that?" Well they didn't obey Yahshua, they didn't obey Yahweh, they didn't obey the Holy Spirit, if they did, there wouldn't be any of 'em lost! See, read.
Reader: For Isaiah said. . .
Dr. Kinley: For now.. Now you see who said it. For Isaiah
said whatever he's going to read there. Read.
Reader: Yahweh who hath believed our report?. . .
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh has said, who has believed our report? Now
listen here folks, now just listen. Out there in Christendom,
like this junk you got here, see, you can't believe that! You can't believe Billy Graham to save your life! Question, why not? Cause he can't prove nothing he says. He don't know himself to prove it. And even went so far as to make this kind of a statement. He said "He believed that there was a God but he couldn't prove it" Billy Graham that great evangelist! Is that right Doc? Is that right? Now if you knew, you see and if he was preaching the right thing, you see, you understand, and he believed what he was preaching and had a knowledge of it to preach to the people, you're gone believe my report! Cause I'm gone slap your sassy face time and time again until you get it in your head what I'm talking about. I'm not gone let you go 'round stupid like that, and if I did, then I wouldn't know. See? How 'bout that? I've had 'em to come to school here and say all kinds of things. I know he won't mind if I said it. Bishop Short said when he come here, He said "I'm from Missouri, you got to show me." Did you say that Bishop?
Bishop Short: Sure did.
Dr. Kinley: That's what he said. I said that it was his right
too. Yes sir. That's been some time ago. (Laughs). Yeah
that's been some time ago. And we have some others here see, Dr.
Williams out of the Church of Christ. We had a bargain going,
that if he could prove to me that what they were preaching over
in the Church of Christ was right, then the whole, (look I even
had this much nerve), said well the whole audience will go over
and we'll all come over to your place. See, and we had a bargain
going that if, then if I could show him that what we was teaching
over here, he and all the rest of 'em over there was suppose to
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come over here. Well he come but they didn't. And he's been
around here somewhere around eleven years or something like that, you see. You follow? All right read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: So then faith cometh by hearing. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now so then, this is important, faith then cometh
by hearing. See? Now Isaiah wants to know who, Yahweh who’s
believed our report? Now if he didn't report the thing straight
then they couldn't believe it see. You follow? But he told 'em
what Yahweh said he didn't say I said so and so, he told 'em
what Yahweh said. Then he asked Yahweh who believed his report.
Right? Okay read on Doc. So then, now pay attention now, cause
this is the part I'm after. Now this is my job,see. Take Billy
Graham, anybody, I don't care who you are and where you come
from! You could be an angel just drop down from heaven or direct
out of hell, it's the same thing. See? And I'm gonna whip you
into humble submission. Somebody said "Me?" Yes you! Said "You
don't know me I'm hard headed." Yes but this club for you is
just as hard as your head. You see He rule all Nations with a
Rod of Iron. That's right. Said "Well you don't know me." Yes
I do. (laughs). See what I mean? Sure I know you! All right! So then faith comes by hearing and that by the word of Yahweh. Read on.
Reader: But I say have they not heard?. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: Yes verily. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: Their sound went into all the earth
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and their words unto the ends of the world
Dr. Kinley: And their words to the ends of the world. You
remember Yahshua the Messiah said to go into all the world and
preach the Gospel to every creature?
Students: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Then there's all the planets and everything else up
there just preaching together, see. Look at the 19th Division of
Psalms and the first verse, see if the creation ain’t out there to preach to you. Then while you're on that then run over to St. John, (St John). A saint is one ordained or Canonized in the Roman Catholic Church. Now John, there wasn't no Roman Catholic Church when he was.. You see there? All right.
Reader: The heavens declare the glory of El. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now look! "The heavens declare the glory of El"
Reader: and the firmament showeth His handy work. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: day unto day uttereth speech. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
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Reader: and night unto night showeth knowledge
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: There is no speech nor language. . .
Dr. Kinley: There is no speech
Reader: nor language. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: where their voice is not heard. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: yet their message is gone out through all the earth.
. .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and their story to the end of the world. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats). Read on.
Reader: in them has He set a Tabernacle for the Sun. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats). Read
Reader: which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats). Read on doc.
Reader: His going forth is from the end of the heaven. . .
Dr. Kinley: See His going forth is from the ends of heaven. . .
Reader: and His circuit unto the ends of it. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: The Law of Yahweh is perfect. . .
Dr. Kinley: The.., listen, the Law of Yahweh is perfect!
Reader: Converting the soul. . . .
Dr. Kinley: What! um um, something's wrong. See, you didn't
understand the Law. The Law is perfect Converting the soul!
Right? Read.
Reader: The Testimony of Yahweh is sure. . .
Dr. Kinley: The Testimony of Yahweh is a sure shot! See? Now
somebody ain't been testifying right. All right read on.
Reader: Making wise the simple. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now making wise the stupid and the simple. See?
What else there?
Reader: The statutes of Yahweh are right. . .
Dr. Kinley: The statutes of Yahweh, they're right folks!
They're not wrong! OK!
Reader: rejoicing the heart. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: The commandment of Yahweh is pure. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: enlightening the eye
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Dr. Kinley: Enlightening the eye. Now I got a question. Now
we've been bearing down on it right here right recently. Now I
wanna show you the simplicity of it, what we just talked about.
Go back doc to the first verse there.
Reader: The heavens declare. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: the glory of El. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: and the firmament showeth His handy work. . .
Dr. Kinley: All right read on.
Reader: Day unto day uttereth speech. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now there isn't anybody in here, nobody in this
building that have reached the age of accountability, (that is to
say that knows the sun), you, you're not here. Everybody in the
building seen the sun rise, seen the sun set, even today. Now
that's up to date. Do you wanna argue about that? Now look! If
the sun rises out here, let me ask you a question. Why does it
rise? Why does it ascend to it's zenith or straight up and down
overhead? And why does it set that's it's circuit,see. There
isn't anybody in here that hasn't seen that! See there? But to
know why it did it like that, now that's a different story. Now
what we have did right recently, (now we wrote it in the book a
long time ago). And this chart here, this chart here has been
made ever since nineteen hundred and thirty two [1932], that's
the same chart. It's the same one. See a sunset here. The sun,
I mean the sun in the ethereal heavens that you can see the same
sun out there now, and you can look at it rise, then it ascends
or it reaches it's zenith in the sky and then it goes on down,
that's the circuit I'm talking about. Is that right? Somebody
says "Well, said the earth, the sun don't rise and set." I beg
your pardon, it does operate in its orbit. Said "The earth moves
around the sun." That's so too, just as so as it can be. And
did you know when the Son was laying out there in Joseph's new
tomb and the earth was shaking all around, and it was some
shaking going on around here too, around Mt Sinai, see, moving
around the son. That's right. Now see there's nobody in here
that hasn't seen the sun rise and the sun set, nobody! You follow? Now listen, you read over there in Genesis that Yahweh waited till the cool of the day to drive Adam out of the, to send that angel and drive Adam out of that Garden. Is that right? When the sun in the ethereal heaven was going down. See? Now faith comes by hearing you got to hear it first,you see. Now we're getting up on you now see, comes right up on you. Don't make no difference how stupid you are you've seen it. Is that right? Say "Well you don't understand, I'm Black." I don't care how black or how white, or green or blue or yellow or whatever it is, you've seen it. [SIDE 1 OF TAPE ENDS] . . .sacrifice, see had to be offered up there see. And that priest went in that sanctuary every day in the year, just like the sun rose and set every day in the year! Now you say you're tired of repetition or repeating! You see, you follow? You sick and tired of it. Now if (11)
everybody on earth, three and a half or about three and a quarter or three and a half billion people on earth if all of 'em
would get down and call themselves praying that the sun rise in the North and set in the South it wouldn't happen. Keep right on rising, sun rising and setting, the same thing. See there? Now you can say "I'm Rabbi so and so!" That don't make no difference. Say "I'm Revern' so and so." It don't make no difference, you see, you follow, it don't make a bit of difference. Now we, we've put that in the book about the sun rise and setting. And a lot of people that belong in this school they haven't never read the book. And a some of 'em that have read it didn't understand it. I tell you, see. Now we're after facts folks, the sun rise and the sun set. Now read Romans 1:19 20, that's our theme song. And while somebody goes over there, then somebody get the 3rd Chapter of John in Nicodemus' case. Now he was a ruler of the Jews, he wasn't no peasant you might say. He was a ruler, he was a big shot, Sanhedrin Council, went out there to see Yahshua by night. See? You know I get troubled sometimes, sure enough troubled with folks in this school. I do my level best all the time to try to bring you the reality of things. I do do that very much.
Now listen folks, now just like Yahshua the Messiah come down
here into Egypt, I'm talking about after He come through the
loins of the woman, come down here into Egypt, see then went back
up at about twelve years old. Now, He was down here before. I
just told you that Ambassador College, Ted Armstrong them, they
didn't know that. They get fifty three million dollars a year
and I can't hardly get fifty three dollars a.., well, it isn't
expedient for me to get it no how. See I don't preach them
little old cheap sermons that they preach. See somebody with
their mouth all out, see his salary is $250.00 a week, and the
cost of living see, needs a raise in his salary -- he needs a
resurrection, that's what he needs. All right let's, let's move
on. Now look, now we're gone stay right on this. We're gone
make you see what we're talking about. Now you're not gonna sit
around here and not get converted. See if you pay attention,
I, I'll assure you that you will get converted.. Somebody said to me "Look now fellow, I had the Holy Ghost before ever I ever seen you, or ever thought about you." Well why didn't you.., I didn't see nobody get up when I asked them about what they heard about Yahweh before they come here, I didn't see nobody get up did you? Now if I happen to overlook you and miss you, stand up now so we can see you in person. You see anybody back there David? I'm standing up I don't see anything, and I can just go and sit down so you won't think I was standing, (Laughs) so you won't get me mixed up with it. All right, now look and read.
Reader: Romans 1:19 and 20. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now Romans 1:19 & 20. Now I want you to see what's
happening! I want you to understand what's happening! And when
you understand it and the reality of it, you can't fix it!
There's nothing else that you can do but accept it! How 'bout
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that? I don't care a thing about your education! You can have
as many degrees pinned on behind your name as you can have see,
and it won't help. I gotta whole lot of 'em pinned on behind
mine, they don't mean a thing. And I never merited the first one
because I only went to the 6th grade of elementary school. And
you know they don't give no Ph.d's in no elementary school, no
Master of Arts, and Bachelor of Arts, and nothing like that, you
know better than that. How 'bout that? See what they give me
was a failure see, in my grade cards. That's right. Said "You
come back next year." I said Naw, I'd rather go on and go to
work. I didn't get no where. (Laughs). That's what I did too.
Now when I tell folks that, they say "No, um um, you can't talk
like you talk, use and handle all that heavy material, them heavy
words lexicography, and ethymology see, eschatology and all
them different things. See? Anthropomorphism, see and all that
kind of carrying on . Why don't you just come on out
and tell the people where you went to school at? You try to
hide it so that that somebody will think that you got a
revelation." And then them folks knew me too from a child on up,
stand around and talk to me like that. And they're very ones
that knew I didn't go to school. All right read.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now look here! Now it's possible for you to know.
Now listen, this is what you gonna have to do, see you're gonna
have to know something before you can be saved. You can't go
around guessing and speculating with anything. You can't be
saved like that. Somebody stuck their finger in their ear and
got it right.. "I imagine!" No, imagination won't get it!
Revern' said "I believe!" That, that won't get it. It won't get
it. We believed a whole lot of things that wasn't so. All
right.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now you see, you got to know it. Now don't forget now about what we was talking about, I wanna, I want to keep you on the subject. See, I don't want you to get off the subject. Now what I, what we... What was we talking about? We were talking about the sun rising and setting. Is that right? And we also decreed that there wasn't anybody in here that hadn't seen the sun rise and sun set. How 'bout that? We didn't ask you what church you belong to or where you come from or about your clan or nationality or nothing.. We ain't said a thing to you about it, we don't care nothing about it. We're not interested in it. And we don't have to go 'round preaching white supremacy or black supremacy, we don't have to go around doing that, you see. All right read.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: is manifest in them. . .
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Dr. Kinley: Is manifested right in you. You've got all the
evidence of the existence of Yahweh hanging right on y o u, male
or female. Just like the sun is out there in the sky, just like
you're made up there, see. You've got the evidence hung on you.
Now listen folks, every man has got that, every woman has got it.
Yahweh put it there, put it there so that you wouldn't have no
excuse for stupidity and colossal ignorance and blundering and
stumbling around. You follow? You see that? All right read.
Reader: For Yahweh hath showed it unto them. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now listen! Yahweh has... Did you ever see the
sun rise out there in the East? Did you ever see it? I want an
answer!
Audience: Yes! Yes sir!
Dr. Kinley: See He showed it to you too. Now this is bearing
down on it now. This is getting around to where you live, see. Alright Yahweh is showed it to 'em. And if you haven't seen it,
see, all you have to do is get up in the morning and take a look
for yourself. See, that's the way it is. All right, but Yahweh
has showed it unto them He showed it unto these people back
here. All right read on
Reader: For the invisible things of Him. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now listen! "For the..." Listen, now spirit,
see... Now we got some folks that say this. "I don't believe in
nothing I can't see. I don't believe in a thing I can't see."
Well now look, you've looked right at the sun all this, all this
time, you've seen that. You can look at somebody else and see
another man or another woman, you can look at that,you see, so what's your excuse? How 'bout that? What's your excuse? Now a lot of people think they're gonna do this. They think they're gonna run up in Yahweh's face in the judgment, see, "Well Lord I didn’t know, if I had known you were coming I'd of baked the cake." No, I'm just trying to tell you this, I'm just trying to tell you this. Now all that, that not gonna work!! That's not gonna work.
This stuff this man's putting down here, that's not gonna work! Now one person come here and set right in that second row. We try to keep that one kind of cleaned up there see, and we want the new people, see, get up here close where they can see. And one of those person's said "Well said what do you think?" (Dr. Harris talked to). "Says well what do you think of the teaching?" They had been here before. Said "Well they didn't tell me what to do to be saved." That's what they said, Dr. Harris didn't tell 'em what to do to be saved. See? Ain't nobody been here at no meeting where they wasn't told what to do to be saved. And it ain't enough Devils in hell to keep you from being saved if you pay attention to what we tell you. You've already read it. "How
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shall they believe on Him whom they have not heard?" Dr. Harris told you, he preached and teached about that. Now, listen if there's anybody here that don't know what to do to be saved,
we'll read it out of the book what you must do to be saved. Try reading that, hold what you got. Don't forget now, see now don't forget now, Isaiah is asking "Yahweh who's believed our report?" Don't forget. All right read.
Reader: John 17:3. . .
Dr. Kinley: John 17:3.
Reader: And this is life eternal. . .
Dr. Kinley: (Repeats)
Reader: that they might know that thou only art the True El
Dr. Kinley: Now that they might know, not guess, not speculate,
not imagine, not feel like it, not believe, but know that thou art the True El.
Reader: and Yahshua the Messiah whom thou hath sent.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua the Messiah whom thou hath sent. Right?
Now look over there in the Acts of Apostles and get where Paul and Silas was in prison. They were put in jail for preaching, doing what they were told to do go out and preach in the Name of Yahshua the Messiah. And then they were put in jail, in prison. And there was an earthquake there, and the gates, everything come unlocked. The stock that they were in, or the shackles that they were shackled with came loose, and they could have escaped out of the jail. And the jailer he started to kill himself, and he said, "Don't do yourself no harm, we're here. Oh we're, we're here, we're not going anywhere. We, ain't gone run with this, not what we got." You follow what I'm talking about? Say "Well Rabbi or Revern' so and so here." We ain't gone run. They all go when the wagon come, and it's here. See? And then, now look, then they washed their sores where they had been whipped, and they asked this question, "What shall we do to be saved?" And you got his answer right there. And we've already been talking about it. Read it now. I could quote it to you. You got it doc? Paul and Silas in prison. . .
Reader: And the keeper of the prison awakened out of his
sleep.., (31st verse). And they said believe on the Savior
Yahshua the Messiah and thou shall be saved and thy house. . .
Dr. Kinley: Well let's read where they ask the question for
them to be saved.
Reader: Then he called for a light and sprang in and came
trembling and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them
out and said Sirs what must I do to be saved? And they said
"believe on the Savior Yahshua the Messiah, and thou shall be
saved and thy house."
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Dr. Kinley: Now that's what you must do. Now that's a must.
Now that's what they said you must to do to be saved. See that's
it. You follow? Now you see what you must do to be saved?
Believe on Yahshua the Messiah. Now that's what you must do to be saved. Now don't go away and tell nobody you don't know
what to do to be saved. And don't go out of here and say, "Well
they don't tell you down there what to do to be saved." And
don't forget that we asked you, uh Isaiah did over there see,
said "Who has believed our report?" See we told you what you
must do, see. Now I must hasten on, so go back to the 19th
Chapter of the, uh Romans 1:19 20.
Reader: For the invisible things of Him. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now look here, do you recall.. I just want you to
see through what I'm talking about, I don't want you to be
mistaken about it. I want you to understand it so it'll blot out
your excuse, so you can decide within yourself whether Yahweh
sent me or not, or whether I know what I'm talking about or not,see. What did you just say Doc?
Reader: For the invisible things of Him. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now look folks look up here, look at me. The
invisible things, spirit is invisible, you can't see that with
your eyes, physical eyes,see. A spirit embodiment you cannot see
with your physical eyes. Now I said that so I could say this.
Now we talked about the sun rising out there in the sky, is that
right? Now did you know that you're not suppose to look direct
at the sun with your physical eyes and look at that physical sun
out there? If you think anything of your eyes you better be
careful about that, you see. And they teach you to smoke glasses and get you some sun glasses and put 'em on when you try to look at the sun. You don't look direct at it, but nevertheless when it begin to rise out there see, that's, and before it reaches on up in it's strength, why you can look at it. And you can also see it when it goes down without smoke glasses, and that's why I said everybody could see it. And that's a circuit, what you call a
round trip. Just like the high priest went in here and made a
round trip on the Day of Atonement. How 'bout that? And then
stupid enough to come back out here and make, uh, repeat the same
thing over again. Then Yahweh don't have no better sense than to
let the sun rise in the East and set in the West every day, you see.Don't have no better sense than to fix you up so that your blood circulates through your circulatory system, in your physical body, it circulates all the time. He don't know no better than to have you breathing every day. You see what I'm talking about? You understand what I'm talking about? He don't have no better sense than to fix you up so that you have a belly and you have to eat! You see what I'm talking about? And you don't do to well when you don't eat not to long at a time. You follow? See everything that Yahweh does it operates the same way. You see that now? You, even you and everything natural.
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Now Yahweh fixed it that way, listen, so that you could look at the natural things, or the physical things and understand the invisible or the spiritual things, now that's what I'm telling you about, you see.
That's why Yahweh put the sun out there in the sky like that, for you to look at that sun rise, ascend or reach it's zenith in the sky (that's directly overhead), and then it goes down, it sets so that you could see that Yahshua the Messiah, see, well let's put it this way first. So that when He waited till the cool of the day when the sun in the ethereal heavens and Adam, (the son), was going down together. He's driving him into outer darkness. Everything down here is dark, every where, all up and down this whole entire thing. See? See how dark it is down through here on the bottom. You see then, waited till the cool of the day to drive that man down. The sun is going down when Yahshua the Messiah hung out there on the cross at noon day, you see. Are you listening Mickey?
Mickey: Yes sir!
Dr. Kinley: See, so you don't have no more excuse. And whoever
talks about this after I get through will have to tell you the
same thing. You better tell it the same way, you see. See now here it is He's hanging out here on the cross and blood's running out of His body, and it's getting dark, turning dark over the face of the earth. The two sons going down together, Yahshua the Messiah back here and that's the second Adam. And the first one you see going down here, and he's driven out of the garden here. You follow? And that angel with that flaming sword, (Michael to be more explicit). What you say Michael for? Cause he's a warrior, and Gabriel a messenger, see with that flaming sword, you follow what's that for? So that man can't go back in that garden! See?
Then you wonder and 'course your preachers told you all about it!
When Yahshua the Messiah ate that last supper, He rose up from
the table and gird Himself about with a towel and begin to wash the disciples feet! And somebody said "Well, foot washing wasn't
under the dispensation of the law." See now you're just stupid.
Moses brought Aaron and his sons to the laver and washed them,
and then he put on the garments. Is that right? And the laver.., and then he poured oil, (holy anointing oil) on Aaron. Is that right? And he had on the Ephod with twelve precious stones in it, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. And then under the Ephod he had the Urim and Thummin. What are you talking about? The breast plate of judgment, you follow, that's what we're talking about. See, you follow? Had that on under there, the breastplate representing the twelve tribes of Israel. And when he went in there, every day too, (listen folks) at 9 o'clock in the morning, burned that incense on that altar. And while they were burning that incense on the altar (under the dispensation of the law I'm talking about), then they were 'round on the outside of the tabernacle praying.. What's that called? (17)
That's the hour of prayer! See everybody knew that! That's the reason why we have a set, and a fixed, and an established time and a routine! You know when to come to school don't you?
Audience: Yes
Dr. Kinley: Oh my I tell you. you see that now?
Student: Go 'head Doc.
Dr. Kinley: Then some stupid sat around here all this time and
talk about, and wants to straighten us out. Done sat around
here, done been up here preaching too! And all the correlations
in every age and dispensation and the repetition, then stand up
and say, "Well, we're getting sick and tired of repeating it over
and over! We'll just go in and sat down then when the time
comes somebody'll get up and start to preaching." We don't do it
like that folks, we don't do it like that. Somebody say, "Well
you got a problem about it?" Yes sir! Said "Well but it says,
Paul says having a form of Godliness, but denying the power of."
We ain't denying the power, we have the form but we're not
denying the power. And everybody that comes here knows what's
gonna happen!! And it's gonna happen every time we come and we
ain't gone change it! How 'bout that? I told you what Yahweh
showed me. See they knew when to start to praying out there,
they didn't have the Holy spirit. And when they burnt that
incense, that incense in that censer represented the Holy Spirit
in you making the intercession for you. That's what that's all
about. 9 o'clock in the morning, 12 at noon, and 3 in the
afternoon. Daniel even when he was down in Babylon raised his
window and prayed toward Jerusalem. What time did he pray?!!
Nine o'clock!! See? You wanna be different? See? And you don't
wanna follow the teaching, you follow? You just wanna be different, see. Then you wanna have long drawn out meetings! Ain't nobody gonna sit around and listen to you I don't care how good it is. See you can get some of the very best food in the world, and you.., see you just can't keep on sattin' there and eating! See you gonna get enough some time and you're gonna quit eating, I don't care how good it is, and who made it. So we gone quit after a while. Get all worn out and all sleepy and tired and all you see and then wake up and done jumped, and you don't know what's going on, you don't understand nothing. You don't understand too well when you're wide awake! Can't even do that when you're wide awake unless you have a revelation. Now here you wanna keep me up all night and talk to me like a fool! I remember when Paul preached all night man sattin' up out there, out there on the limb of the window. He sattin' up there and went to sleep and fell out of the window and killed himself! And Paul went down resurrected, uh, raised him from the dead, "Now stand up here young man." Ain't that right? I preached all night long many a time, but I had a time to let school out. Said now look, we gone let out at 10 o'clock,see. We gone stop and let out at 10 o'clock. We start at 8 and let out at 10. Now if
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there's anybody that wanna, (this is my house), now if you wanna stay after that just sit down, I don't have nothing else to do but just teach. And that’s the way we taught a many a time. You could see the sun peeping through the venetian blinds. Said look out, "Oh I’ve got go to work, I I didn't know it was that late." Many times, see but we never set up no schedule like that. The sun rise and it does go down. How 'bout that? And then not only that, the uh, I believe it's the 3rd Chapter of Ecclesiastics. There's a time and a season for everything. There's a time to... How 'bout that? There's a time to be born, (that's nine months after conception), and then there's a time to die. Ain't that right? Get some time to the thing! There's a time to act a fool and there's a time to quit acting a fool. There's a time to gather stones and there's a time to throw 'em away. Ain't that right? There's a time to begot and a time to lose. Is that right? All right. I'm sorry, but I didn't mean to digress, but I just wanna let you know that we're operating here see according to the way that Yahweh set the thing up. Okay. Now he was reading Romans 1:19 20. All right read.
Reader: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .
Dr. Kinley: Because that which may be known.., it's possible
for you to know. You could find out if you wasn't so damned hard
headed and so stupid and ignorant! Somebody say "Now you ought
not to said that." Said "Now you you're up there cussing." I
ought to tell you something about that, I think I will. See, the
real truth about it is, unless you obey the Word of Yahweh you
are cursed, preacher, teacher, deacons and all. And did you know
that the ground or the earth was cursed? Did you know that? Did
you know that the heavens themselves is not clean in His sight?
And did you know that the sun, moon, and stars and earth and
everything had to be to be purified with better sacrifices than
bulls and turtle doves? Did you know that? What's the matter?
Cursed!! That's right. You're cursed if you don't obey the
Gospel, Yahshua the Messiah said so. He said "He that believeth
on me as the Scriptures has said out of his belly shall flow
rivers of living water, Is that right? and he that believeth not shall be damned." I didn't say it, He said it, that means destroyed. You follow? Now see people do this, they try to hold up for their preachers and what they believe, you understand, and defending what they believe. Yahweh's fixed this thing up so all your excuses and alibi's goes by the board. And listen, we don't have but one preacher and that's the Holy Spirit, and it's the same preacher all the way through, that's all. And unless that’s, that's, unless that's the preacher, see you're lost. Do you follow? And you must be able to identify that preacher in that preacher. Somebody said "Now look here, the Bible says you mustn't judge nobody. Jesus said you don't judge nobody," said that to me. They wasn't in no position to judge nobody. There wasn't a righteous man on earth to judge anybody under the dispensation of the Law, they all come short of the glory of Yahweh. Is that almost right? Now in the 6th Chapter of First
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Corinthians, it says "Know ye not that the sons of Yahweh shall judge the world." Is that right? You better start to wake up here and judge with something, you see? Paul said "I say so and so, JUDGE WHAT I SAY!!" You got the wrong idea about the judgment in the first place, Dr. Harris told you about it the other day. That's where you are now, right in the judgment. Said "Well I don't see Jesus, I don't see nothing." See, You
follow? But now I give it to you straight folks, give it to you like it is. Now the invisible things of Him is clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and uh that, uh, some folks say, “Godhead.” All right. What's that all about? Read on doc.
Reader: so that they are without excuse. . .
Dr. Kinley: Now do you see that? Now look, look folks look up
here at me, look up here at me folks. See now Yahweh put the sun
and the moon and the stars and everything out here, and made you
as you are and everything to operate in you and all nature and
everything. You see? And it operates to remove your excuse, to
remove your alibi, see. Now here somebody comes along say, "Well now look, I don't believe in the resurrection of the dead." Paul had some problems with that and the boys did. See? All right, when they preached out there in the synagogue and got to the
resurrection of the dead, they wasn't gonna, they wasn't gonna buy that, them Jews wasn't. But look folks, you get yourself some seed, plant it in the ground, (don't dig it up, just leave it and go on off and let it along, see what's gone happen), and then you'll find it will resurrect. Why does it do that? Because Yahweh has fixed it so that you couldn't do nothing with the resurrection from the dead. You see that now? Yahweh let the sun rise so you could believe in the resurrection, you see.
Got these two sons, as I told you that one's going down and the
sun going down, at noon day too. See? Then if that's true with
Adam (see back here the first Adam)... Then as He resurrects
from the dead... Do you see why we had to put the sun right
there, His resurrection? Now here is the sun here resurrecting.
See here they are both here coming down, Adam (the second Adam)
or the Son, both of 'em, as it begin to dawn toward the first day
of the week, see He resurrected from the dead. Now I got a
question I wanna ask you. When was the last time or the first
time that you heard your preacher preach about that before you
come here? Now that son arose from out here on the..,tarried on
earth and took them out (after He tarried 40 days and nights),
then He led them out as far as Bethany to the Mount of Olives,
and then a cloud received Him out of their sight. And two men
stood by saying "Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing one at the
other, this same Yahshua the Messiah which you see Him going,
shall return unto you again in like manner, or like you have
seen." That was a vision. Are you listening? Then He will
return, in a vision or like that, a vision. You see? Are you
following me now? Now look, He ascended just like you see the
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sun rise here's the sun going down. Here He is going down,
and here He is coming up together. Now what I'm trying to tell
you is this: See when we get done working you over down here
there ain't nothing you can do but believe it. See there ain't
nothing you can do but believe, I don't care where you come from.
All right you take yourself some seed out there, go out there and
ask any farmer, "Say buster, if you don't think them seeds gone
come up there, what you planting 'em for?" And if you try and
tell him they ain't gone come up he thinks you're stupid. And if
some drought or something like that, or a flood comes or
something another like that, they got around to the place now
where it would destroy crops see they got around to the place
now where they wanna put insurance on it. You see what I'm talking about? So if in the event that something happens, see like that should happen, you see what I'm talking about, why then they won't lose it. But don't you, can't you see that if you plant stuff in the earth, and don't you see it raises from the.. You understand? And then if that be the case then, and it's happening every day (sunrise), sun reaches it's zenith (sunset), Yahshua the Messiah rose from the dead, ascended on into heaven, that is went on through here into heaven itself through the vail or through the flesh, and sit down at the right hand of the Father. You follow? Then here it goes now (the circuit) see and the next day you see it coming up again, and you see it reaching it's zenith,and then you see it set sun rise and sun set. Now here we got here in your Bible (I want you to read there in Matthew) where it, the Jews,you see they said "That His disciples come and stole Him away." Now I'm showing you how that you yourself can disapprove of their lie!! And Yahweh said to search it, you can't, you can't read nothing like that. All right read.
Reader: 28, starting with the 12th verse. And when they were
assembled with the elders and had taken counsel.. You want me to
pick up the thought?
Dr. Kinley: Yes, uh, pick up the thought.
Reader: Then said Yahshua unto them, be not afraid, go tell my
brethren that they go into. . .[TAPE ENDS]. . .
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